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外界抨击美国政府篡改就业数据

  (联合早报网讯)美国通用电气公司(GE)前董事长兼首席执行官杰克.韦尔奇5日在社交网站上批评政府篡改9月失业率数字,获得保守派人士附和。华盛顿方面则进行了强烈反驳。

  美国劳工部5日公布,美国9月的失业率降至7.8%。韦尔奇得知后在“推特”上表示,“这个数字令人不敢相信,这些芝加哥家伙(奥巴马出身芝加哥)赢不了辩论,就篡改数据。”

  共和党佛罗里达州国会议员威斯特说,“我同意韦尔奇的说法,这是芝加哥式的政治手法在运作。”前国防部长拉姆斯菲尔德的参谋长厄本也表示,“大选前的就业报告摆出这样的数据,这完全没什么好奇怪的。”

  对此,华盛顿官员立即予以否认。白宫经济顾问委员会主席克鲁格表示,“这种说法真是太可笑了。没有人会真的相信劳工部劳工统计局会篡改数字。”

  劳工统计局经济学家柯沙诺维契也出面称,“我们自从1940年就每月进行调查。调查方法大致上都没有改变。变动数据,我不知道这种事情怎么可能。”

  美国劳工部长索利斯称,她觉得这些指控相当侮辱人。白宫发言人厄内斯特则称这些指控“完全是胡说八道。”

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Welch Conspiracy Theory on Jobs Data Not Tied to Reality

By Hans Nichols and Lorraine Woellert - Oct 5, 2012 7:55 PM ET
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A good conspiracy theory is irrefutable. A bad one usually collapses when confronted by reality.
The claim by some supporters of Republican challenger Mitt Romney that President Barack Obama’s Chicago-based campaign doctored September’s unemployment figures for political gain fall into the second category, according to members of both parties who have served in the government’s economic data system.
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Jack Welch, former chief executive officer of General Electric Co. Photographer: Craig Ruttle/Bloomberg
Jack Welch, the former chief executive officer of General Electric Co. (GE), touched off an Internet-based frenzy yesterday when he suggested on Twitter that Obama’s team lowered the country’s unemployment rate to 7.8 percent to give the president a boost. “Unbelievable jobs numbers. . . these Chicago guys will do anything. . . can’t debate so change numbers,” he wrote.
The charge then was picked up by Arizona Senator John McCain and Florida Representative Allen West, both Republicans.
Welch’s message was re-sent via Twitter 3,832 times, meaning each of those people re-broadcasted it to their groups of followers, in the first 10 hours. Rebuttals posted by journalists on Twitter, including Keith Olbermann and Politico’s Roger Simon, were re-tweeted at least 300 times combined. Representative West’s message of support was re-tweeted 592 times.
‘Too Important’
During a television interview last night, when CNBC host Larry Kudlow said it was unrealistic to allege the White House tampered with the data, Welch tempered his words.
“Let’s hope that’s totally correct, Larry,” Welch said. Still, he said, “This election is too important for one number that might be corrected next month to determine the election. I want to see a real debate about this number.”
Economists, including one who worked for McCain, dismissed the very suggestion that U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics would, or even could, manipulate the data.
The people who compile the numbers “are professionals” and “do this as a career,” said Doug Holtz-Eakin, economist for the Council of Economic Advisers under President George W. Bush and the policy director for McCain’s 2008 campaign. “I have a lot of respect for them.”
‘Weird Number’
“I’ve never been one of those who felt that the numbers get doctored,” said Holtz-Eakin. “Like any other enterprise, every now and then you just get a weird number and this one makes no sense.”
Welch, 76, had quickly concluded the opposite.
Five minutes after the U.S. Labor Department reported at 8:30 a.m. that the unemployment rate fell to 7.8 percent last month, Welch pushed the button on his Twitter message. He took aim at the figures that may matter most before Election Day on Nov. 6; the October report due on Nov. 2 may be too late to change voters’ perceptions about the economy.
The Obama administration called the allegation baseless and defended BLS, which computes the figures. Alan Krueger, chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, told Bloomberg Television that Welch’s remark was “irresponsible.”
“No serious person would question the integrity of the Bureau of Labor Statistics,” Krueger said in the interview. “These numbers are put together by career employees.”
Romney campaign aides said they weren’t disputing the data, keeping their focus on criticism of Obama’s record.
‘Anemic Trend’
“We’re going to address the numbers as they’ve been released,” Romney’s policy director, Lanhee Chen, said on Fox Business. “What you see, as you’ve said on the show, is an anemic trend. This is not a real recovery.”
Gary Sheffer, vice president of communications and public affairs at GE, declined to comment.
Each month, federal agencies, staffed by career civil servants, compile the raw data that eventually become two jobs- day numbers: the unemployment rate and the total number of jobs added to the economy.
It begins on the Sunday of the week that has the 19th in it, with 2,000 Census Bureau workers knocking on 60,000 doors, asking residents if they were employed, or if they were seeking employment, in the last week, said Nancy Potok, the bureau’s associate director, in an interview on July 30.
The bureau has 20 days to complete the survey and send it to the BLS, which then has two or three days to provide the numbers to the Council of Economic Advisers, said Gary Steinberg, a BLS spokesman, in an Aug. 1 interview. Before transmitting the numbers to the CEA, the Census Bureau weights the data to adjust for non-answers and unresponsive households.
Work-Site Questionnaires
At the same time, the BLS is conducting the so-called establishment survey, by sending and receiving questionnaires to 486,000 work sites. The main question that separate survey seeks to answer: how many jobs the work sites had on their payrolls on the 12th of the month.
On the Thursday afternoon before Labor Department’s Friday release of the numbers, the BLS transmits both data sets to the Council of Economic Advisers, over a secure system. It then becomes the CEA chairman’s responsibility to provide the president with the numbers. All the data is transmitted over secure systems and it is often walked to the West Wing by the CEA chairman, Austan Goolsbee, Obama’s previous CEA chairman said in a Sept. 5 interview.
Thirty years ago, few guidelines applied to the release of U.S. economic reports. In 1972, during President Richard Nixon’s term, Senator William Proxmire, a Democrat from Wisconsin and chairman of Congress’ Joint Economic Committee, called the U.S. data unreliable. He decried “misleading economic indicators,” according to press reports at the time.
Release Manipulated
After an investigation, the committee concluded that the Nixon administration had manipulated the packaging and release of economic data, said Bernard Baumohl, chief global economist at Economic Outlook Group LLC in Princeton, New Jersey.
Since then, “controls have been increasingly made stricter,” he said.
“There’s no politics that goes into these numbers at all,” he said. “The way the U.S. collects economic statistics is viewed around the world as the gold standard.”
“For sure, some conspiracy theorist will contend that the BLS is cooking the data for political reasons. Such theories are absolutely garbage,” said Ray Stone, managing director of Stone & McCarthy Research Associates in Princeton, New Jersey, in a note to clients. “The BLS never lets politics enter the data.”
“The conspiracy theorists are assuming that the Obama administration would manipulate the data for political purposes,” said Keith Hennessey, Bush’s last director of the National Economic Council. “I assume that the new employment numbers, while a bit surprising, are real.”
Too Many People
“I don’t think they could manipulate it,” said Hennessey, who received the jobs reports on Thursday nights before their release when he was in government. “Too many people would have to be involved and they couldn’t coordinate that many people lying about the data.”
“It would be very difficult,” to manipulate numbers at the BLS, said Elaine Chao, U.S. Labor Secretary from 2001 to 2009.
Ward McCarthy, chief financial economist at Jefferies & Co. in New York, said that the drop in unemployment “stirred up the conspiracy-theory pots.”
While the numbers are unbelievable, “no, we do not think that there has been a Washington conspiracy to ‘cook the books’ as some have claimed,” McCarthy wrote in a note to clients. The numbers, rather, simply don’t reflect current economic conditions, he said.
When asked about Welch’s assertion on CNBC this afternoon, McCain, the Republican presidential nominee four years ago, said, he “wouldn’t put anything past this administration.”
He then added that he was “not enough of an economist” to interpret the jobs data.
To contact the reporters on this story: Hans Nichols in Washington at hnichols2@bloomberg.net; Lorraine Woellert in Washington at lwoellert@bloomberg.net
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外界抨击美国政府篡改就业数据

  (联合早报网讯)美国通用电气公司(GE)前董事长兼首席执行官杰克.韦尔 ...
cellphone 发表于 2012-10-6 09:23



    大家早就想得到,修改数据造假是可能的。

这次在十一月六日投票前还有一次公布十月份就业数据,我估计会更加漂亮,比7.8%还更低,有可能是7.6%或7.5%。

不过,是合法的,符合美国法律规定的。因为美国统计局的数据按规定有三次公布,第一次公布是初始数据,可以误差很大,不需要精确。第二次公布是修改数据,可以不够准确。第三次公布是最终数据,才需要精确。等到第三次公布九月份就业数据时候,已经是十二月初了,大选已经结束了,谁还管它呢?!

甚至,也有可能没有捏造数据,而是从今年夏天开始,就在着手按部就班地合法实施既定计划,补贴雇佣学生工和临时工,使就业数据在大选前越来越好看,直到短暂地降低到8.0%之下。以配合大选的需要。

我之所以这样看,是因为昨天公布的加拿大九月份就业数据也是同样大好。而加拿大并不是今年十一月六日大选,不需要修改数据造假。
本帖最后由 cellphone 于 2012-10-6 16:34 编辑

NO Surprised....。。。

We are not "Too Simple, Sometimes Naive", right ?

Do we really care of the fake info or not ? NO... We just want to disclose it and use it to push the market down....


O8 is a high hand, but, we just don't want to be the meat on the board..
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